Northern Edition
Select Edition
Northern Northern
Southern Southern
Global Global
New Zealand New Zealand
France France

LONG READ Ian Foster left to ponder what might have been after Tony Brown and Jamie Joseph recruitment misstep

Ian Foster left to ponder what might have been after Tony Brown and Jamie Joseph recruitment misstep
1 week ago

It won’t ever stop being an obsession in New Zealand to evaluate the reigns of the various All Blacks coaches and to compare them against one another. Focusing only on those who have coached in the professional era, it has not been that hard to build a sense of who sits at the top of the pecking order.

Steve Hansen sits at the top as his win record of 87 per cent is the highest and his tenure also includes victory at the 2015 World Cup. Graham Henry wouldn’t be far behind after winning 85 per cent of his tests and the 2011 World Cup.

John Mitchell and John Hart both had their All Blacks teams playing exhilarating rugby at times –but the former had a strange relationship with the media and public and the latter, having seen his All Blacks lose just once in a two-year period in 1996 and 1997, went five losses on the bounce in 1998 to somewhat taint his time in charge.

When Ian Foster finished up with the All Blacks in 2023, he had a win record of 71 per cent that included an historic first defeat to Argentina, a home series loss to Ireland and an unprecedented decision to sack two assistant coaches.

There were many who felt Foster himself was fortunate not to have been sacked midway through his tenure and that his four years at the helm were among the least impressive of any coach in the professional period.

Ian Foster
Ian Foster came within two points of winning a World Cup and left with the respect of his players and the wider Kiwi public (Photo EMMANUEL DUNAND/Getty Images)

But now that Foster has published a memoir of his time in office – Leading Under Pressure – and thrown light on what was happening behind the scenes between 2020 and 2023, there’s an entirely new context within which to frame his tenure.

It’s unlikely that any other All Blacks coach has ever faced the same number of distractions, obstacles and dramas that Foster did – and the volume of interference and he encountered not only creates an intriguing and at times explosive narrative, it also provides cause to see him as a more effective head coach than his record alone suggests.

The problems Foster faced began even before he got the job in December 2019, because the process to get him in there was so drawn out that it saw him lose both Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown from his preferred coaching team.

New Zealand Rugby had asked candidates to present with full coaching teams in place, but by the time it got round to interviewing candidates, Joseph and Brown had opted to re-sign with Japan.

Not being able to secure Joseph and Brown left Foster scrambling for alternatives in a relatively shallow pool of talent and he opted for John Plumtree and Brad Mooar – two coaches who were not necessarily All Blacks calibre.

“Not being able to secure him [Joseph] did change the dynamic of my team,” Foster says in Leading Under Pressure.

“It meant there was no chance of getting Brownie either, and so, relatively late in the piece, two high-quality coaches with international experience were taken off the table.

“It inconvenienced me, but I felt the real loss was to the All Blacks. Those two men had a lot to offer as coaches, and my love of the All Blacks is such that I wanted the best people to be on the team.”

Not being able to secure Joseph and Brown left Foster scrambling for alternatives in a relatively shallow pool of talent and he opted for John Plumtree and Brad Mooar – two coaches who were not necessarily All Blacks calibre but who he considered the best available at the time.

Brad Mooar John Plumtree
Foster’s coaching team of John Plumtree and Brad Mooar wasn’t his first pick and ended prematurely after a poor run of results (Photo Cameron Spencer/Getty Images)

If it wasn’t tough enough starting his role with a coaching team he’d pieced together at the last minute and one that wasn’t his initial choice, New Zealand shut its borders in March 2020, killing Super Rugby as everyone knew it and forcing a longer-term radical restructure of cross-border competitions.

But while this part is well-known, Foster reveals in his book, that the arrival of the pandemic – which meant NZR lost $34 million in 2020 – saw him come under pressure to make All Blacks coaching and management staff redundant before a test had even been played on his watch.

Foster saved jobs by persuading his coaching and management to take massive pay cuts – his own one being significantly more severe than anyone else’s.

And then, on the morning of the first test of his tenure in October 2020, Foster was told by chief executive Mark Robinson that neither he nor any of his coaching staff would find out until December 2021 whether their contracts that ran until December 2021 would be extended or not.

Foster had an incredibly tough first year, but he doesn’t absolve himself of responsibility for the poor record the All Blacks posted – three wins, two defeats and a draw – and he is particularly honest about the historic first loss to Argentina.

This was a significant departure from the norm, and Foster’s surprise was two-fold – that such a bad decision had been made – he felt it would lead to coaching staff quitting in the middle of 2021 to find jobs elsewhere – and that this bad news was being delivered just hours before the first test of his tenure.

As Foster says in the book: “I went back to my hotel [after the meeting with Robinson] fuming, thinking about how much the coaching and management group had sacrificed, and what compromises we’d all made to mitigate the impact of the pandemic.

“What we needed right now – on the morning of our first Test match of the year – was reassurance and support. We needed to know that our employer understood the stress we’d endured in the unique circumstances of 2020.”

Foster had an incredibly tough first year, but he doesn’t absolve himself of responsibility for the poor record the All Blacks posted – three wins, two defeats and a draw – and he is particularly honest about the historic first loss to Argentina.

Ireland v Newland
Foster suffered the ignominy of being the first All Blacks coach to lose a Series to Ireland on home soil in 2022 (Photo By Brendan Moran/Getty Images)

“I take responsibility for not preparing us well enough to deal with what we knew was coming. It became a pivotal game in the World Cup cycle, because it gave other teams a simple formula to implement against us, one based on slowing our ball down at the breakdown, putting us under pressure with defensive line-speed and high tackle accuracy, and generally frustrating us.

“This approach brought out the worst in us.”

His second year wasn’t much easier as the All Blacks had to spend 15 weeks on the road to play their last 10 Tests, and Foster delves into the finer detail of what taking 41 players overseas for so long entailed at a time when New Zealand’s border was shut and players couldn’t return home for injury or any other reason until their allocated slot was available in the government’s managed quarantine facility.

The All Blacks won seven from 10 on that tour – a return that saw Foster heavily criticised. But the difficulty inherent within that tour – which included two encounters with South Africa before facing Ireland and France in the last two games – was never fully appreciated by the media.

He [Foster] doesn’t use his memoir to throw Plumtree and Mooar under the bus, but he details how the team was consistently failing in areas under their respective jurisdiction, and how he was left with no choice but to sack them.

As Foster details, he decided to prioritise player welfare to ensure that everyone in the 41-man party had game time, because he feared that if some players spent weeks just training, mostly staying in their rooms due to the Covid protocols and not getting a chance to play, then there could have been mental health breakdowns throughout the squad.

It was a move that won him the respect of his players for the way he communicated his intentions and recognised the duty of care element such a tour presented.

“We wanted everyone to know that they were going to play at some stage, but we couldn’t afford for that to morph into a sense of entitlement – that they were due an opportunity just by being there,” he says in Leading Under Pressure.

“Our goal was to use the possibility of game time to generate excitement among the entire group: to let everyone know they were going to play at some stage but to keep them guessing about when that would be.”

But as is well-documented, the issues compounded in 2022. Having finished the 2021 season with back-to-back defeats to Ireland and France – losses that were perhaps illustrative of the stress and fatigue imposed by an impossibly long tour but defeats which Foster says were a result of his team not being on the same level as the European giants – three more would come in the first four tests of 2022.

He doesn’t use his memoir to throw Plumtree and Mooar under the bus, but he details how the team was consistently failing in areas under their respective jurisdiction, and how he was left with no choice but to sack them.

Ian Foster
Foster enjoyed a convivial and successful coaching relationship with Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt that brought the All Blacks within a whisker of RWC glory (Photo Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

He also details how there was a growing split between the All Blacks and NZR – one that intensified when the CEO of the latter published a statement after the series loss to Ireland in July branding the performances, “unacceptable”.

By the end of the book, it’s impossible not to wonder what his tenure might have looked like had Joseph and Brown been secured at the start and had there been more support from his employer.

Because what comes through, courtesy of player testimony that is included in the narrative, is that once Jason Ryan and Joe Schmidt joined the coaching team after the Irish series in 2022, the All Blacks were a different team, and Foster a different coach.

His record was played 24, won 15, lost eight drew one pre-Ryan and Schmidt, and it was played 21 won 16, lost four, drew one with them.

But they also made the World Cup final in 2023 and came within a whisker of winning it and when the whole of Foster’s tenure is considered against the backdrop of what he faced, it’s still difficult to know where he sits against his peers, but higher than it initially appeared.

Download the RugbyPass app now!

News, stats, live rugby and more! Download the new RugbyPass app on the App Store (iOS) and Google Play (Android) now!

Comments

38 Comments
Y
YeowNotEven 8 days ago

The real waste will be if NZR doesn’t learn from this. Foster should never have been coach.

But he was. The ABs were annihilated on our own turf in a series etc.

It’s all history now.

Just don’t make the same mistakes.

D
DC 10 days ago

foster was set up by tew and hansen. joseph was in japan and brown wasnt intrested .look what foster did to plumtree and mooor robinson hasnt helped with some of his decisions either

R
RK 10 days ago

Tony Brown is in a much better environment now with the Springboks, under Rassie and a winning and innovate culture, unlike Foster who definitely doesn’t fit that mould

R
RedWarrior 11 days ago

“Foster suffered the ignominy of being the first All Blacks coach to lose a Series to Ireland on home soil in 2022”


Ignomy Definition: public shame, disgrace, or humiliation. It refers to a state of dishonor or a situation that causes shame and embarrassment.


You must respect opponents. Not a coincidence that NZ improved when Joe Schmidt, an actual humble man, came on board and grounded the team in reality.

S
SC 11 days ago

Jeez Gregor, get the statistics right. foster’s winning percentage was 69.57%

j
johnz 11 days ago

I really thought we were done with the Fozzie era, but here he is again, back with his excuse list. One thing I know for sure, is that true winners rarely make excuses. They play the cards they’re dealt, and take responsibility if things don’t work out. That’s it.


Fozzie can blame Covid and Mark Robinson all he likes. I was in Europe locked in my house with the police patrolling the streets. People were dying. Sports were cancelled. We sat at home with no pay cheques and watched rugby continue being played in NZ. The Argentinians had the same deal, no rugby and having to train in their bedrooms, yet still knocked Fozzie’s lot off.


Foz has no idea about tough times and sacrifice during Covid. Yes MR could have handled the whole thing better, but he is a low quality operator.


The thing about low quality operators, is they’re ofter happy hiring other low quality operators. So Foz should be thankful to Robinson, because without him, he probably wouldn’t have got the amazing opportunity to be All Black coach in the first place.


But the problem with low quality operators working together, is when things go wrong they start blaming each other. I’ve seen it time and time again in all aspects of life.


Even if Razor doesn’t work out, I don’t see him leaving with a loud noise and a blame list playing on auto-repeat. And that’s the way it should be with the All Blacks.

J
JW 11 days ago

Is this piece defending Fozzie? I guess we should be thankful it’s at least not the sycophant down at the cafe on a sunday morning wanting to get his tights on so he can get on his bike and go for a ride writting this article.


News flash though Gregor, everyone went through COVID, our results were not made worse because the All Blacks had to go through COVID.


What absolutely jumps out at some of these passages, is that Fozzie should have realised he was done after losing the ability to have the best team, and not applied in 2019. He is trying to act all magnanimous but he willing continued with a team he knew wasn’t going to deliver on the whole reason he applied. Man up, accept it didn’t work out and put the team in the best hands. Go back to the Chiefs and earn your reputation to apply again.

L
Locke 12 days ago

In other words, it took Foster two years longer than he would have liked to get competent assistants to do his job for him.

It comes back to the same old thing, how did a coach with such a mediocre head coaching record get one of the top jobs in world rugby?

Foster had a 50% winning record over 8 years in Super rugby - The correct response to his AB job application should have been disbelief and then a patronising “maybe try again once you’ve shown yourself to be a better coach than a dozen other options”.

Revisionist history generally serves one purpose - To stoke the egos of those doing the revising.

J
JW 11 days ago

Maybe we need to get rid of Ryan so Razor can actually do the job?


The real question is how he became a part of the ABs in the first place, you realise nothing really changed when he took over right? It was just more of the same downward trajectory.

J
Joe 12 days ago

Excuses, excuses.

S
SadersMan 12 days ago

Foster’s win rate was 69.57%, 32 from 46. Where the heck did 71% come from?


And it’s a fake narrative to suggest that Foster “missed out” on Brown & Joseph, his “preferred” assistants. Brown was clear in 2019 that he turned down both Razor & Foster, independent of any “delay”. At the time, Joseph was considering applying for both the Japan (incumbent) & the ABs jobs. In other words, he was interested in a HEAD Coach position. Brown said at the time that he was joining Joseph, wherever that led to.


Foster’s attempt to rewrite history is pathetic. His “preference” is make-believe as it was DOA. And despite his previous 12 years experience as an ABs coach when he took over in 2020, he proved to be so useless that in mid-2022, Rugby NZ had to intervene.


Facts matter.

J
JW 11 days ago

Brown was clear in 2019 that he turned down both Razor & Foster, independent of any “delay”.

Where was that reported? Do you mean Joseph? Didn’t Brown just say he was following him?


It sounds to me that you’re doing exactly the same thing as Fozzie does with ‘facts’.

C
Chiefs Mana 12 days ago

He’s still living in your head Pecos, move on mate and cheer up.

J
Js 12 days ago

Never have been and still not a Fozzie Fan, however this does put him in a different light and goes some way to explaining why the players stood by him.

Still should have only had the 2years.

R
Red and White Dynamight 12 days ago

So 2 truisms remain unchanged. 1. Foster, nice man, but out of his depth as Head Coach. Rode the coattails of those before him. Still had the RWC stolen from him after 14 man AB, of a non-vintage era, outscored 15 Boks (after Cane BS RC @ 28min). Notwithstanding he should have never have been extended beyond 2yr contract through to RWC, Foster was shafted by NZR. 2. Thank FK that weasel Robinson finally fell on his sword, well overdue.

J
Jacque 11 days ago

🤣

H
Hammer Head 12 days ago

Has the leadership of NZRU improved along with the apparent improvement in coaching talent in the AB setup?

J
JW 11 days ago

Yeah hopefully, I like the feel of the new chairman they have. Proof still in the pudding on both counts though HH.

B
BA 12 days ago

The one big pass I will give Foz always is the quality of opposition around the world and with all due respect the drop in quality of Oz teams as our most regular opponents in my mind not as bad as end of the 90s and possibly pre 95 Laurie Mains struggles..different eras different challenges, one things for sure no more we just clearly got some better athletes than all of u stuff think would be fair to say previous ABs coaches might have benefited from…we still got great athletes tho for sure

B
BH 9 days ago

I agree with this. Most people forget that teams like Ireland and France have improved in the past 7-8 years to be just as good, if not better, than the All Blacks and Springboks. You can only be as good as your opposition allows, and all 3 of those opponents are the best in the world.

J
JW 11 days ago

Yes a few people here trying to misuse facts. New Coachs don’t change a teams fortunes in the space of a week, that team got turned around be selections, and in the end, probably failed to win the cup because of selections.

S
SadersMan 12 days ago

Australia won RWC1991 & RWC1999 to be fair. And dicked us in RWC2003 SF. I felt more angst playing them then than I do now.

B
BA 12 days ago

Jeez got to be honest would have loved to see Jamie and Tony if not in the producers chair the executive producers…still do

T
TokoRFC 10 days ago

Too right, we missed a trick there. Tony; green really doesn’t look good on you mate, come back!

Load More Comments

Join free and tell us what you really think!

Sign up for free
Search